🙍🏿 🤟🏼 💠 Why I didn't convert to fulltime on Google and went to Mckinsey in London: broadcast transcript ⌛️ ♀️ 👏🏽

On June 30 at 20:00, Vlada Rau, Senior Digital Analyst, spoke on our Instagram account at the London office of McKinsey Digital Labs.

She told why she did not go to full-time at Google, how work at McKinsey works, and about her path in IT.

We share the recording and transcript of the broadcast.

My name is Vlada, I work in London, in McKinsey consulting, work in project / data engineering. I don’t know how many have heard of this concept, but our company is part of the “big three”: McKinsey, Boston Consulting Group and Bain.

We have several large departments. The first is McKinsey Strategy. McKinsey Digital is also a strategy, only more digital-oriented; and inside this department there is Digital Ops - that's where I am. We employ guys who have hands-on experience and skillset in certain areas - product engineering, data engineering, design, just product / agile. We have 2 main types of projects. Design work is when client companies come to us to solve their questions, and this takes from several weeks to months, depending on the project.

I am engaged in data / product engineering, and this also happens in different ways; now I'm doing more data analytics, that is, projects are analytical. In the previous year, I was involved in a type of project called digital business building - this is when within the corporate structure they want to create a new digital asset - in fact, a new "daughter" to be more digital-innovative, digital transformation and so on. We help to do this from scratch, and this is a pretty interesting experience for those who, for example, want to start a startup in the future, because this is, in fact, a startup, only in a safe environment. This experience really helps you in the future - that is, you are not just working fulltime in a large corporation.

I have been working for almost 2 years. Before that, I had two internships at Google in the Dublin office, and was officially a business intern. I have a rather interesting path in IT, now we will just talk about it.

IT is a rather mixed concept. It is not necessary to be able to program or have any unusual skills to work in these areas. This is probably one of the biggest misconceptions - people often say: "this is not mine, I am not a programmer, I am not a technical enough person." In addition to programmers, there are project / product managers, large marketing departments and other interesting areas.

Initially, I wanted to go into business management; when everyone decided on universities at school, I wanted to get a business degree. My first education was the Graduate School of Management of St. Petersburg State University in the direction of "information management". The first two years there is a general track, then you decide on a profile. You can go to finance, marketing, logistics, HR, information management, international management. I realized that I wanted to go into the IT direction - so that there was a business direction, but in the technical sphere. This is a very interesting setup, because at some point in your career it’s not so important how well you code, and softskills, communication skills, strategic thinking, business logic, and so on become more important.

During my undergraduate studies, I realized that I also want to have technical skills, because I wanted to go as a product manager. I entered the St. Petersburg branch of the Yandex School of Data Analysis, but did not finish it - it was very difficult to combine a multidisciplinary education. It often happened that in the classroom they said - "We will not explain this, they pass it at the university" - I had, in fact, two very different degrees at the same time.

I studied there for two years and went to the academy; formally, I can recover now, but so far there is no such need. Of course, it was necessary at some point to go for an internship, and I decided to go to a large IT company; Facebook, Apple, Amazon, Netflix, and Google are some of that.

I decided to go to Google; I was not hired right away - there were two rejects. After that, I submitted another application just like that ("well, what is another reject"), and I was unexpectedly called for an interview. I was an official business intern; To my surprise, it turned out that business internships include more than just sales / marketing. There are others: for example, I was formally in people operations - this is not HR as recruitment, but the process that begins after a person enters the company and lasts until he leaves it. I was engaged in internal process automation. It was quite an interesting experience: I had a lot of credibility from the team, I could do what I want. The team trusted me, and it was very pleasant for me after I left the internship to see that the things I was working on still exist.It so happens that the next day the branch intern is deleted. So, technically, I was a business intern, but I did a little coding. It was JavaScript and some LaTeX - in the first internship, and more JavaScript in the second.

But, basically, there was more communication - that is, as I said, in order to work in IT, you don't need to have super-skills and be a god of C ++. It is more important to understand what you specifically want. IT is a very diverse field, everyone can find what they like. If someone says “IT is not mine”, I think that this person simply does not invest enough time in research.

How to learn English to be able to learn? What should be the minimum level? I know it's B2, but it's one thing to write a test, and it's another to absorb information and learn.

It is difficult for me to answer this question, because I realized early enough that without him - nowhere. When I entered the university, I already took the Unified State Exam in English, the level at school was quite good. I still did it myself. The university also has 3-4 courses, everything is in English, that is, very good investments in the language. The only thing I can definitely advise is to do as much as possible in the language. Read books, watch TV shows, communicate in English as much as possible, talk to people on different topics.

Even if you make mistakes - because you try and improve your level, the interlocutors will be pleased. Watch multilingual YouTube - interviews, different things. For myself, I noted the phrases that native speakers speak, and tried to embed them into my language. In general, this is just practice. I know that, in principle, B1 is enough for a trainee - to live fully in the country and communicate with native people. For example, I am the only Russian-speaking person in the department, around me there are only native people and people with good English.

Sometimes it happens that in high-tech teams - for example, in the London office of Facebook - every third speaks Russian, this is already an inside joke with us, and this greatly interferes with integrating into the culture and putting the language correctly. You need to constantly push yourself, keep yourself motivated to learn and speak the language. But, as already said, B1 is enough for an intern. The first screening-call from a recruiter is a test for understanding and proficiency in the language: the ability to respond to standard phrases and resolve standard situations: maybe even level C1 here.

This is another thing that pushes many people away from careers abroad and from careers in large companies in general. They always think they have to "learn a little more" before starting. I just have such a credo in life: the worst that can happen is just another reject, you have to try, so that later you don't regret the missed opportunity. If you want to achieve something, be sure to invest in this time and try.

How to start advancing in IT without computer science education?

You must first understand what you like. I would start with research - what happens in IT, what is the high-tech industry, what skills are needed, what do you want to do. Later, if you stop at any coding stories and want to learn how to write in some programming language, I would choose a side project for myself.

That is, if you want to develop applications, come up with a use case and make an application for it. There are tons of free content on YouTube and elsewhere, and even paid ones. Opportunities exist, you just need to understand what you want and move in that direction. There is definitely a Product Management School from San Francisco on YouTube, there are very good lectures about product. Many conferences are now done in video format and are free. You can google right now what conferences are held online, what meetups are there, and go there. Determine what you like, what skills and knowledge you need, and recruit them. That is, it is not necessary to get a computer science degree - I do not have one, but I still write code at work. It is not necessary to graduate from a computer science center or Yandex ShAD,a lot of things - optional. The main thing is to be willing and invest a sufficient amount of effort and time.

What are the features of business internships at Google?

They are very different and you must be very lucky with the team. There are standard sales / marketing teams - they are also great, but not everyone likes it. There is a very large cloud-team, there is a People ops-team, there is GTech - various internal solutions for Google itself. I am very glad that I got into People ops. My first internship was that we automated the process of generating offers - that is, contracts that you then sign. It turned out that I saved the company a lot of business days - let's say the process used to take 40 minutes, and after my internship it took 5 minutes.

That is, business internships at Google are more about business logic and softskills. Other types of internships (SRE, SWE) involve the development of technical skills, but I have not noticed a large segregation between business interns and tech interns. I could attend a variety of trainings; I attended most of the in-person technical sessions in Dublin during my internship, except for, for example, the SRE Bootcamp. Another feature: if you are trying to write code, for example, as a business intern, then sometimes there are troubles with access, because formally you are not a software engineer; although these things are fairly easy to solve and there is not much of a problem.

The next feature is the selection process. There are no standard interviews on a business internship like cracking the coding interview. It is clear that this does not mean that if you have completed it, then the internship has been received and nothing else needs to be done. If there are 2-3 interviews on a SWE internship, then there will be an additional conversation , maybe about design, but most likely not; rather, it is to determine if you understand what the conversation is about and some behavioral questions about "how much you Google." Translated into Russian, I would say that this criterion determines how much you want this person to be a part of the team, how much he has a collaborative mindset. Then you can look further.

I had 3 or 2 interviews during my business internships, not counting a call from a recruiter. They were more briefcase; those who have been selected for standard strategic consulting should understand what I am talking about. That is, I have some kind of situation, and at that moment it was already roughly clear to the guys what I would do. This is a pretty interesting feature of Facebook and Google. That is, Facebook has a headcount: when you get an offer, for an internship or full time, you already understand which team you are going to. Due to the fact that there is this headcount, many guys cannot find a team and get an offer for full time or an internship at Google, when on Facebook, if you are "smart enough", they give you an offer, and you deal with the team on the spot. , project and so on. And the trainee, in the same way, is told this for 2-3 weeks.

Are you programmer?

Yes, I'm a programmer. Now I write most of all in Python, now it is a very common language. Last year, I spent most of the year writing in React Native, before that - a little in Java.

In this regard, consulting is interesting in that you cannot predict what you will be doing, there is an element of uncertainty. In the first month of work, it was very unsettling for me, because I could not understand what skillset I needed to develop; I went to full time right after university, and I needed to develop further in skills. In our team, I am the smallest in terms of industry experience, everyone else is at least 6-7 years of work in the industry.

Then I had to understand what I should do next in terms of developing myself as a specialist, but now I have already roughly decided on the strategy, and I start from my skillset in terms of projects, and not vice versa, as it was in the first year.

Why go to McKinsey as a programmer?

Here I must say that I do not consider myself 100% SWE, here it is somewhere 50/50 I really like to work on the product, and, at the same time, I really want to be part of the technical team, write code, and I really like that too ... When I was on Google, I was not 100% SWE either, and I was also 50/50: I was writing code and doing various product-like things. I really liked McKinsey, partly because here you can work in a short period of time on different projects, in different industries, with different tech stacks, with different teams. That is, you do not just work on one task in a limited team for an insane amount of time - you constantly change your background and, in principle, begin to better understand what is happening in the industry as a whole. You don't just write in the same framework and language, while knowing only aboutwhat is happening specifically on Google / Facebook, but not how the rest of the world lives.

This was one of my main concerns as to why I wanted to go into consulting: I wanted this industry diversity. I also really wanted to get a big boost on softskills. This is also very team dependent; I do not want to speak for the whole Facebook / Google, or for other companies, but I got the impression that the environment is too safe, that everything is too “google-y”, that everything is too supportive and collaborative, and this does not contribute to the development of softskills ... I wanted to understand how a wide variety of setups work in terms of teams, how to communicate with a wide variety of people. When you change teams every 2-3 months, this is the perfect environment for leveling those skills.

How does the stack change work? Wasn't anyone confused by the lack of experience in Python?

I wrote in Python even at the university, a little, and in the SHAD. In my master's degree, I studied in Spain, where I wrote in Python and in Arrow, I had a year of applied data science - business analytics and big data, I didn't want to go to a pure computer science degree. I wanted to get real skills applicable in the industry and understand how to do it. I chose one of the graduate programs at AI Business School, and with Python I was doing well.

Another thing is that when we started a project on React native, I would not say that I had awesome development experience; in fact, I would say that it was not enough to properly perform, but I had very good support from the team and from the leadership of our London office. They did everything to make it comfortable for me to quickly learn and pick up skills quickly. I had support at the beginning of the project so that I would very quickly gain the right amount of skills at the right level. It is clear that they are not expected of you that, having never worked in a language before, you will immediately write in it as if you had written all your life. But, it seems to me, at some point there is such a degree of expertise that you no longer care what language. Of course, there are caveats: if you've always written in Python or JS,you will not immediately write on production plus - although you can figure it out pretty quickly and start performing.

It is clear that the peculiarity of my work is that you need to constantly learn, you never know what will happen next. In this regard, I should have a rather diverse tech stack and, in general, everything I do, and I need to invest a huge amount of time, including free time (it used to be on weekends as well), when I'm just learning something new.

What are your department's internship programs at McKinsey?

This is a good question, because it is from this year that we start SWE internships. We've finally pushed it forward. This year it will only be for the London office, we cannot sponsor visas yet like Google and Facebook are doing through the TR5 program. They have this configured process, but we are looking for more locals for now. I will have an intern this year, and maybe this year, towards the end of the year, we will do something like that again. I could tell you what the internships at McKinsey look like and how they differ from SWE internships at FANG, because it will be quite interesting.

When I interviewed, we also did a small algorithmic check that people can write and people fumble in algorithms, but at the same time, we looked even more at their mindset and how they can talk, run projects. what are they interested in, which way do they want to go, because we do not have 100% SWE.

How do they treat people with PhDs, don't they consider it overqualified?

They are great for people with PhDs, I think there is a lot for those at McKinsey. There are more technical roles - if you look at analytics, it will be Quantum Black. These guys used to be in a startup, at some point McKinsey bought them - 3-4 years ago - and they are engaged in heavy data analytics. Everything is according to the classics: deep learning, neural networks, a lot of things. PhD is just a plus.

We have guys who are more likely not digital hands-on, like me, but just orporate Strategy; there are guys who work more with the healthcare industry and run strategies specifically for the public sector - for hospitals. Now we are in a pandemic period, and several of our colleagues have returned to practice, went to work in the local healthcare system (NHS) - they previously worked as doctors for several years, received PhDs in some medical things.

We have super-diverse companies in this regard, people from different backgrounds find a place here. Because we work in a wide variety of industries on a wide variety of projects, it is often the experience in the industry that decides that you will be useful and be able to bring your value and impact, rather than just completing a business school and knowing the necessary frameworks. All frameworks can be learned, but industry experience is very difficult to get along with some more specific knowledge for industries such as medicine.

What is the attitude towards Russians?

During these two years everything has been great. We have a fairly large community on Telegram, quite a few chats on a variety of topics, we all meet all the time. More technical guys are grouped together, others just talk about everything, but in general there is a pretty welcoming community here. There has never been any inadequate reaction to the fact that I am from Russia, neither from colleagues at McKinsey, nor in other companies. It seems to me that the big problem here is not what country you are from, but how you speak and how you position yourself, how much you try to respect foreign culture and try to integrate into this society.

What did you ask during your Google internship?

It was a certain unique case, not SWE or sales / marketing, which mostly happens. I had a case-oriented interview: that is, they told me right away about the project in which I would participate.

I was asked specific things: since I am engaged in the automation of processes, I could be asked, for example, how from my point of view the entire People Ops department looks like; talked about what departments and teams, processes - I did not have this information, of course, I told it as I saw. And then they say: in fact, it is arranged like this, let's go further. And then they asked, for example: look, we have process X, it is not very efficient - how would you automate, allocate resources, communicate with your colleagues, collect a requirement? That is, they initially asked how I was going to arrange my work. These were case items. After that I was asked about many behavioral things, because this is a business interview; it seems to me that there was a whole separate interview with behavioral questions. I think,it's time to do some kind of guide on how to answer questions like how to make your own story. Because it’s more important not how much experience you have and what kind of expert you are, but how you position yourself and how well you can tell your story so that people understand how cool you are.

When I had it several times that I was a mentor for current students, and a person told me that he was not smart enough, I said - wait, let's see everything with you now, and we wrote a beautiful cover letter, and people received an offer ... Here, probably, the more problem is that we do not fully believe in ourselves, and for some reason we underestimate our successes and cannot properly pack everything.

Tell us about the selection process at McKinsey, how to get an offer?

The selection processes at McKinsey are very different depending on where you want to go. If we are talking about corporate strategy - standard consulting, then you need to submit a CV there, and after that you make a test. Now in the Moscow office it has been replaced by a digital assessment, in some offices too; that is, the next step is either a test or a digital assessment. This is followed by two rounds of interviews, three each. That is, the first round is usually conducted by middle-level colleagues; there is a case part and a behavioral part. The second round is a leadership-level, and there are also three interviews, and also a case and behavioral part, but more behavioral. Probably the best way to see how McKinsey is selected is in official sources: now there are a lot of workshops from different offices. For example, in the Moscow office they are quite active,undergo constant trainings, interviews, and so on; that is, if you wish, you can collect this information.

I also had 6 interviews, although it was not in the format of rounds - they were smeared in time, since I have a rather specific area of expertise in engineering. The case interviews were with a technical accent - that is, they could have asked me some part of the business logic and asked to write a part of the code. I wrote mostly in Python plus some SQL. Since I interviewed more about data, I could be asked about some Hadoop / Spark-specific things, and just about Python, and about databases, and so on. You could have asked, for example, the following question: we have a client with a certain database that needs to be migrated to another - how would you explain this process, how would you make the transfer, what would you do with training and integrating this into the company? What use-cases would you do for other databases, how would you justify it? I.e,this is a full case, not "please write the code."

How did the interviewers feel about the unfinished course at the ShAD, was it not perceived as an inability to complete what was begun?

They were okay. I said that I received it as a minor degree, and that it was physically difficult for me to finish it. I had a rather busy life at the university, I also helped organize conferences - for example, the School of Management has conferences "Management of the Future", and there were also events like TedEx. Then I simultaneously studied several foreign languages - I also speak French, German and Spanish. Not C1, but normal enough. Now I improve my French and Spanish more so that in a year and a half to work for them. That is, my CV also said that I took other courses, participated in championships, and so on.

It was clear that I hadn’t left anything, I simply could not combine. But there were never questions about why I didn’t finish the course - it’s just additional education, not a university. I believe that those two years that I studied gave me a lot and were a great impetus in my development as a programmer.

Why go to consulting and not stay at Google?

I already mentioned: it was mainly industry diversity. If in the future I want to go into more product-oriented things, I need to understand what is happening outside of Google. Both technical development and softskills were very important, and at the start of my career, I would say that these are good starting points, and always, if I want, they will probably take me back - I'm not sure, but something tells me, which yes, because I had good feedbacks.

How to enter a foreign master's program?

It also depends very much on where you want to go. I can't speak for all master's degrees and countries, of course. There are many open source resources and communities out there to help with this. That is, overall you choose Master's programs: is there a grant system or not; apply for a grant, if any (or a scholarship), then pass all the necessary exams. Usually this is basic knowledge of English, and then, depending on the master's degree, either GRE or GMAT. GRE is taken for a foreign master's program plus an overseas PhD, and GMAT is more for business schools. That is, if you ever want to go to an MBA, then the GMAT is the exam for which you will prepare for a long time (well, or not for long, depending on how you write the first trial).

In my case, I understood that I wanted to take one more additional year for study, I did not want to go straight to full-time after the Bachelor's degree. I could have stayed in the magistracy in St. Petersburg, but it was less preferable - I also wanted to get a new experience, I wanted something more technical, but not pure computer science, while abroad. I wanted to get a multi-cultural experience, to study not only with Russian students and teachers.

We had two courses in the magistracy, each of them had about 50 people, and mine had 55 people and 40 nationalities. That is, there are guys from all the top countries, and you communicate with them, you understand who reacts how, how to build a collaborative mindset in the normal sense. It was a very good practice. You also take additionally IELTS / TOEFL for knowledge of English, if you have not studied or worked in countries where native speakers live (UK, Canada, USA, Australia, Ireland). That is, I passed this exam, then the GMAT, then I submitted all the documents to the magistracy and waited for a decision. After that I applied for a scholarship. Depending on the university, sometimes absolutely everything is covered, or a part of it is covered. In my case, only 20% of the training was covered, and after that I found another additional women-in-tech grant,applied in this magistracy for him and received another 20%. As a result, my scholarship covered 40% of the tuition, and all other expenses were on me. Also, depending on the university, the hostel may or may not be provided. I didn't have that, and I rented a house in Spain.

My master's degree was 10 months. There are various other options: full-time master's degree, when you study on campus, part-time master's degree, when 3-4 months of training takes place online, and then 2-3 weeks in person in some country. There are those when almost every six months - in another country, and only one and a half years; that is, three large in person modules in which you study for several weeks, for example, in Spain or Dubai.

It all very much depends on where you want, what needs you have, how much you want to invest in it all - including financially. At first, I thought whether I wanted to pay for my master's degree or not, but then I figured that if I just went full-time to Google, for example, after my bachelor's degree, then in two years of master's degree plus then full-time my studies would be repulsed. I realized that this is a good investment of money and time and made a decision. It seems to me that this is a good experience, even if you do not want to go abroad for a master's degree: in many universities there is the possibility of an exchange semester at partner universities.

Now the main Russian universities are trying to make such options, and it is interesting to at least try and submit. As I said before, the main thing why I have achieved quite a few things in my life is that I was not afraid to try serving. The worst thing that could happen is just a reject. Try, try, do work on mistakes, understand why you were not hired, ask for feedback.

Diversity in tech is the most painful topic - especially now, in the age of tolerance, when you are afraid to say something. How to create a community?

At the moment, we have been leading the community with two more girls for 3 years. Now this is a community in VK, sometimes we have ideas to create a full-fledged community offline, but so far, due to the fact that we work full-time in different countries, it remains online. I would like at some point to make some kind of safe place for people who can draw inspiration from any source, understand what opportunities exist, and so that you have role models that you can focus on. So that when something doesn’t work out, you could say: they did it, so I’ll succeed too, I’ll do it. This is probably why we created the community several years ago. Until we succeed, we are slowly moving, there are many plans for July-August.

It seems to me that the quarantine had a good influence on me, I was able to rethink a lot during the time of self-isolation - what I want from life, from the blogs that I keep, from the projects that I help to conduct. That is, now we are planning to do something like a mentoring program, so that there are people who help you and lead you by the hand, or at least support you. But for now, this is just an online project. If you have ideas, or want to become a part or contribute, then any time you are welcome. You can write to me in a personal on any of the social networks in which you can find me, and we can discuss everything. I try to respond within a few days (although the response rate on Telegram will be slower than on Facebook or VK); It's easy to find me, Vlada Rau - a rather unique combination.

In fact, it seems to me that now - looking back at the time when I was studying in bachelor's degree and just starting, about 7 years ago - there are many more opportunities, much more support, much more open-minded people who can tell about your way, teach something, share useful links. I would say that now is the time when these opportunities need to be used to the maximum. Don't be afraid to ask, don't be afraid to write to people. A lot of people can answer: yes, of course, I will be happy to talk to you, I will gladly make a referral, I will gladly tell you something else or introduce it to my acquaintance who is doing just this.

In July we want to do a series of meetings and speakers. Now we are in the scheduling everything format, everyone has different time zones and everything needs to be synchronized, but there will be announcements soon. I also have a Telegram channel, sometimes there is something useful there; however, now I often write some of my own day-to-day things.

Tell us about salary negotiation

A very interesting question. I honestly don't know how to answer it. In principle, I always knew where I was going - for example, when I interviewed for my first internship, I had no other offers. More precisely, there were, but they were Russian companies. There was no competing offer, for example, from Facebook - I could not say: "Oh, you know, all FANG wants me, do you want to raise my intern's salary?" And when I interviewed for full-time at McKinsey, at the same time I was interviewing another company where they were ready to take me, but I made a choice in favor of McKinsey.

We do not have a pay gap, a standard salary for a position, the difference is only a bonus depending on performance. McKinsey is a pretty top company and a lot of people want to go there. I realized that if I start trying to do salary negotiation, they will tell me - we have a standard process, these are the numbers, are you in or not?

In addition, initially I interviewed for a position higher, and the job description mentioned 8 years of experience - despite the fact that I am new grad. They were ready to transfer me to London, bypassing the Moscow office, to deal with my visa - this is a super-non-standard case for McKinsey, they usually do not transfer people to Europe without industry experience. They made a downgrade position, made a headcount for me and a transfer to London - after that, somehow you don't feel in a position for a salary negotiation. I know people who have collected fans from offers - maybe later it will be possible to make a session with them, and they will tell their tips and tricks.

How long is your contract?

I now have a work visa for 3 years, then it will be extended. I am already permanent, not a contractor - I got a normal fulltime position.

I thought I was not in a position to do salary negotiation, but there are guys who do it very well. They tell such cool stories - I listen. Probably, this is such a separate skill, and you need to work on it - I can't recommend anything, except that you definitely don't need to lie about the fact that you have a mountain of offers. Recruiters tend to be friends with each other and move between companies, and you can earn a ban.

If you have other offers - you can say about it, if not - then no. Be transparent as much as possible, especially if you have competitive offers - should. If you calmly and transparently tell about the situation and say what your criteria are and why you would prefer one company to another, interesting proposals may appear that were not initially voiced, but are exactly what you wanted.

How often do you travel?

It depends a lot on the project. Work-life balance also strongly depends on the project. In the London office we are very good at mental health. Long hours does not mean that you work efficiently: you can work from 9 to 19, and it will be much more effective than from 9 to 23, because then you can do something else and enjoy your life.

In this regard, I like the European mentality because work is not the most important thing in life. The same goes for traveling - when you choose a project, you initially understand how travel it will be and what kind of location it will be. When I came here, I thought that when you have a family, when you have children is not sustainable at all, and at some point you will have to choose, but now I communicate with people older than me, and they say that everything is negotiable. You are welcomed if you have children and a family. Especially now, when everyone realized that, in fact, you can work from home. If you so want, you can work remotely; there are always some solutions to problems. I really like that McKinsey listens to employees - they are interested in a comfortable setup for work.But if you really want to travel, you can find a project during which you will constantly do it.

What is the gradation in the company?

We have a digital analyst, senior digital analyst, specialist, expert, associated partner, partner, senior partner; in the corporate track, it will be business analyst, and so on. In public in VK, it is signed. It is better to look at official sources - it all depends on the position.

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Why I didn't convert to fulltime on Google and went to Mckinsey in London: broadcast transcript